This poll may be more for the older Beltway Boxing fans. I would like your opinion on who you think was the best boxer in the Post-Sugar Ray Leonard era to NEVER win a world title?
There is a shorter list than usual because I narrowed it down to boxers who actually gained universally-recognized world title shots (this does not include boxers who fought for IBC, WBU or WBF titles, unfortunately.)
As always, thanks for your comments.
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yo Gary? where is Victor Davis's name? I told you this months ago that he is the best fighter who never won the title. Thats the truth ! I have been around DC boxing for past 30years and I know.
All those guys you listed up there could have been a world champion.Yes! Victor's name deserves to be up there too.
Han Kim -
Hey Han!
The reason why I didn't include Victor's name is the same reason I didn't include Darryl Lattimore, Kenny Baysmore and others. Victor didn't get a world title shot. I double-checked his record to make sure.
That's why I said this was a smaller list than usual, because of that criteria.
thank you for explaining Gary.
Han Kim-
Dana Dunston is the hands down best one.
I would say Darryl Coley is the best of this bunch by a razor thin margin.
Man, there are some really good fighters on this list: Terrible T, Council of War, Too Sweet. Very, very good fighters.
I've heard Darryl Coley wants to come back and fight Jimmy Lange. What have you heard about that Digital.
There are some great fighters that I had to leave off the list because of the criteria of having world title opportunities. That includes Lattimore, Baysmore, Tim Hillie, Jemal Hinton, Victor Davis and so many others.
There has been off and on talk about Coley fighting Lange but nothing has been set as of yet.
You missed at least one boxer from the area who fought for a world title- Teddy Reid. He fought Kermit Cintron for the WBO Welterweight title (interim, but still for the world title).
In order to make this choice I looked at who had fought the toughest level of competition. The simplest way for me to figure that, and certainly not exact by any means, was by seeing who fought the most fights against guys who were or would be world champions. Here is my list, and I would use it to rate the best Beltway boxers never to have won a world title:
1. Tyson- 6
2. Council - 4
3. tie- Maynard and Reid - 3
5. Green- 2
6. tie- Coley and Sneed - 1
Why you guys forgetting about Dangerous Dana Dunston? Chris loved this kid and helped his career for real!
What about Barry Hunter? didn't he have a decent career? My cousin said he never heard of him boxing.
I think he fought pro-right?
he boxed apples at Lee's grocery!
Barry Hunter never did any boxing whatsoever. However, he turned out to be a fairly good trainer and has helped getting the Peterson brothers where they are now. I know several coaches who have never laced on a pair of gloves, but they still turned out to be good trainers.
I think the list appears very incomplete and certainly doesn't go far enough back into history to give the oldtimers their deserved credit. I bet some of the guys that know some history around here would throw us a few names that would open our eyes. With the list given, however, I'm with Chris: 1. Darryl Tyson; 2. Andrew Council.
Darryl Tyson was a top echelon fighter for many, many years and the one thing that hurt him most in his career was a lack of knockout power. He certainly was the best prepared fighter in the ring almost every time he went in and a consumate boxer, who would not hesitate to brawl when necessary (can someone please dig up a tape of his fight with Freddie Pendleton on the Pettway-Brown undercard?). Tyson should have won a world title in his first attempt. He had already beaten Jimmy Paul when they met for the belt, and the rematch was very, very close. When he beat Rocky Balboa in a big NABF fight, he looked on his way back to a world title shot, but wound up losing his belt for not fight Frankie Randall and then drifted along a bit as some boxers do. He won eight straight before Miguel Angel Gonzalez beat him pretty easy in a title fight. His later fight with Oscar De La Hoya was a fiasco, but other than that, he was pretty darn tough, even when losing to the top guys. Anyone who saw Tyson chase Zab Judah all around the ring at the 1998 Fight Night for Children before getting stopped in the 11th knew all this guy needed was a really good punch and he might have reigned for years.
As for Council, man, did he have to go through some tough dudes early: Patrick "Wrath of" Cann, Kevin Tillman, Tim Knight. I was there and these guys were very good. No way Council lost that fight to Keith Holmes for the USBA title at Showplace Arena in '94. But he just shrugged it off, ran off four straight and then beat Buddy McGirt in AC. Not too many people knew how great Winky Wright was when he beat Council in '96, but we know now. Council bravely took a beating from Bernard Hopkins and lost fair and square in the rematch with Holmes, but there is no discounting Council's quality. If he had a drawback, he wasn't busy enough, but like Tyson, nearly flawless technique. -- John Scheinman
Folks!
Please take a look at the criteria for this particular poll. No one knows better than me that there could be thirty guys on this list. I had to narrow it down!
Your for got Louis Heidi Curtis
No I didn't. He's the third on the list.
Fighting at flyweight he was always in afight.I remember he fought in DC and had a knot on his head the size of a baseball.Gary Heidi should win hands down. Look him up and watch what you see.eople around the beltway dont even remember him unless you was a real boxing fan.
You forgot Dana Dunston and Josh Hall.
That was one of Heidi's last bouts against Pedro Feliciano. It was a nationally televised bout (USA Network) as well.
I was at that bout and that eye was grotesque, to say the least.
Curtis, being at flyweight, was Mark Johnson before Mark Johnson. He didn't have the flash and style that Mark has but he definitely had the ability.
Dana Dunston has only fought six times (two no-contests) and only has a record of 3-1, two KO's. I hear he is trying a comeback late this year or next year.
Josh Hall is a little before this era of boxing that we're talking about.
Heidi Curtis fought in the greatest fight I ever witnessed, against Kelvin Seabrooks at a Junior High School in Arlington. Ask Sugar Ray Leonard, who kept knocking into me because he was screaming and cheering so hard, about it. Afterward, when Seabrooks had won, I went back into the locker room and there was Curtis all alone, as demoralized as any fighter I have ever seen, welts on every part of his head and upper body. I've never seen anything as brutal or hallucinatory in the ring. How they fought like that, I'll never know. Dark magic. -- John Scheinman
You keep talking about
dana d. did he fight again after tony t. beat him down at the ballroom...I think that beating made him change careers....What is he doind?
Gary I think hands down its between Heidi or Darryl Tyson.Not to take nothing from anybody else
Brother Gary some of the best fighter from DC and Maryland have not made the list. Lets start with William Flip Johnson out of SouthEast , Ask any fighter who he is from DC. Heidi was bad too Made the 76 olympic team, Vincent Cook who was out of south east DC Made the Us team would have gone to Olympics in 80 but US Boycotted them. Now a comedian /actor and film producer .But one hell of of a fighter. He had won over 200 hundred amatuer fights and then became a stand up comedian was on BET with his own show and now starring films in with Wil Smith , Jamie Foxx, ALI and Haley Barry B.A.P.S, Kenny Basmore, Percy No Mercy Harris, Preston Proctor, Randy Squires, the Davis brothers, Lloyd honey boy taylor, Floyd Favors, Renard Knight, Darrly Tyson, DAY DAY, Randy Edge and , Anthony Perry Now these where the bad MF to who come out of DC and Maryland. And any fat trainer who never laced up should leave the game of boxing you making the game look bad.
Keeping it real
Brian Maurice
Sleeping on that Dana Dunston,call him up get on some of these cards see what he can do!I've seen him he still has talent!
After seeing Cunningham last night I know Dunston as a cruiser weight could hang with those guy's.
What about a guy named larry key 175 pound fighter who ran into street life and got shot up in the streets but survived the moment and still lives in southeast today what was his reputation in boxing and how many fights has he had won and or lost? Let me know something bro. Cause I heard he was pretty good as a pro. And what happened to bantam weight fighter lil Kevin William's out of s.e. washington,dc who's trainer was boo bell
Oh I am Nae' Nae' one of the baddest known ,but unknown street fighters of s.e. d.c. and the 37th street crew
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