Two Beltway Boxers lost bouts in Philadelphia and New Jersey on Friday night.
Baltimore, MD junior lightweight Darrell Martin lost a four-round unanimous decision to Anthony Flores of Philadelphia at the New Alhambra in Philadelphia. According to written accounts, Martin was game but outgunned as he lost 40-36 on all three judges's scorecards. Martin's record is now 2-3 while Flores rises to 2-0, one KO.
At Bally's in Atlantic City, NJ, Woodbridge, VA super bantamweight Andre "Clockwork" Nichols was stopped in the sixth round by Jae-Sun Lee of Seoul, South Korea. According to reports, Nichols hung in the bout early but when he stayed in front of Lee, he was pressured until the referee stopped the contest. Nichols's record is now even at 3-3, two KO's while Lee now has a record of 9-1-1, six KO's.
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dumb fight for Andre to take. no question. as usual a beltway boxer goes out of town and faces a guy with a far greater record as an opponnent and loses. would andre ever agree to fight a 9-1 guy on a local card? no way. this stuff kills me. in any other business andre would get to sue his manager for incompetency and win. sadly though his manager is probably his father. oh well....
Any fights under Featherweight are very hard to come by in the North East. Sometimes, you gotta take risks.
You can't have every fight suited with a tailor-made opponent.
Boxbible -
EXACTAMENTE! (Excactly!)
Hey 'Abe',
assuming you're sincere in your critique...
Lee's 8-1-1 record is very inflated if you do the research. No disrespect to Lee, but he is very limited skill wise.
This was an excellent opportunity for us to ambush a guy with a good record. We lost the fight because we didn't stick to the game plan in the later rounds. We make no excuses for our losses.
Boxing is about taking measured risks. Andre was never hurt in the bout at all. You don't take a fight solely based on your opponents record or money, you take a fight based on development and opportunity. Hopefully this will be a learning experience.
Asim (father/manager)
Greetings Asim
I know nothing about your son/fighter Andre. I do greatly appreciate your insight and boxing outlook. I love the statement about "measured risks" and "You don't take a fight solely based on your opponents record or money, you take a fight based on development and opportunity" I consider these statements proof that you are a strategist. But, you have to say hindsight is 20/20. Your son's record is evidence that he has to tighten up his skills or you have to pick better for him or both. We are all work in progress be you fighter or trainer/manager.
I say study and train hard. From your wise words I can tell that you have great potential and your son has this too. Why do I say that? Because you can see it in him. I will be watching your progress and pulling for your success. I hope you do it big. Chin from the honeycomb boxing
Honest Abe you need to change your name to "Jealous Hater" Why don't you and your cousin hater on the Fredericksburg thread stop being so negative and spiteful? Obviously you feel threatened. Take the higher road and be a better person. Just because you sign anon, a lot of people have a pretty good idea of who you are, We all know you are better than that. This is not adding anything to your good karma bucket.
First let me say that I appreciate the honest and respectful posts above. Second I totally agree that Andre’s record is evidence something has to change if he’s to be successful in the sport.
And while I’m in a position where I could have my son fight a string of sub standard opposition that he could run over and build his record up…he (not I) wouldn’t be satisfied with himself. My job is to train him as best I can and put him in situations where he can be successful. The rest is up to him. I’m not one of these father/managers who lives through his son. In fact I did everything to discourage him from fighting.
One thing most ‘fans’ probably don’t even think about is that not every boxer, trainer, manager, and promoter is in it for money and titles. Some of us are in it for the challenge and the satisfaction we gain from doing our best in a sport we love.
Let me give you an example…
One thing I’m most proud of is my work with Vernon Meeks. Vernon probably had no business being a professional fighter, skill wise. All the heart in the world but no real skill. Some snake got him to sign a contract for his first 2 fights and basically took his money. Actually left him stranded in Georgia after his first fight. When Vernon asked me to work with him I immediately told him he shouldn’t be boxing. Because he had some financial difficulty at the time he was determined to fight. So I had to try to maximize his pay, while minimizing his risk. Vernon ended his career at 3-16-1. Check out his record on Boxrec. Tell me how many up and coming ‘stars’ we have in our area with more skills than Vernon, who would have fought the guys Vernon fought? To this day Vernon is proud that he fought REAL fights despite all the crabs who said he wouldn’t be s&!t. The same people who tried to piss on Vernon and discourage him, have not accomplished any more than he did.
So haters will hate…let them. That’s their job. In due time everyone will find out who’s been trying to sabotage fights, build up pretenders, and hide behind anons.
Asim
Asim,
To me for what it's worth (as most people say I don't have a clue...}
You are a treasure and you really raise the bar. Maybe you don't do it to every thinly disguised anon's expectations, but at least you take risks and stand in hater's lights and take what they try to give and just shine on. You make the boxing scene a better place.
Be careful Linda....
someone's gonna say you're on my payroll:-)
Much appreciated.
Asim
Nope...No worries...everyone knows I get in free!
♀ George: I love this blog, thanks for sharing.
Asim, I'm sure Andre will be back. I didn't see the fight but have heard that his skills are rapidly improving. Please tell my old buddy Vernon I send my best.
Mike Sawyer
Honest Abe - do us all a favor...and become a Hockey Fan. That way we don't ever have to hear your opinion!!!
Mike'has no money' Sawyer!
Money comes and goes, but Mike is way above your hater curve since he is as cute, intelligent and as nice as the day is long. So hater you lose on that one.
WHATS UP MIKE
MO BETTER
What up Tone? Call Gary for my number brother. It's time to catch up, been too long.
And that's "Needs Money" Mike Sawyer to the other sucka! Get it right. LMFAO!
Mike Sawyer
Anon said:
"... but Mike is way above your hater curve since he is as cute, intelligent and as nice as the day is long..."
Which Mike Sawyer is this? Cos the one I know definitely ain't cute, and is barely intelligent... ;}
hahaha! thats funny !!
broke ass mike !!
Back to the subject at hand: Andre Nichols
Tough kid, needs some confidence building fights (at least 5-6) before he steps up again.
The best advice for any manager, no matter what the quality of his fighter, is to be patient. You are dealing with a young athlete and does it really matter if he fights the 9-1 kid in May as opposed to October? Any fight that you think that your fighter has a good shot of winning even though it is a step up fight, will be there six months down the road. So what is the hurry. Does Andre, at 4-2 after beating that guy put your fighter on the map? Of course not. After that fight you would bring him back and put two or three wins in him on your cards and then venture out again. So why put him at risk this month? You are his trainer and are a good one, and he trains hard and is improving. So what is the rush? If you consider the young athlete special, treat him as such. Holding him back does not necessarily mean putting him in with nothing guys, with smart choices you can easily speed along his development by fighting the right guys that will be competitive but not strong enough or fast enough or skilled enough to beat your son. So let him develop, fight the right fights and go after fights that you know that you are going to win because he is prepared and he is mature enough and he has seen enough of that type of fighter that he knows what to expect. Then you come home with the W and you are on your way to make him something. Instead of coming back to a lot of kiss ass losers who really do not have Andre's best interest at heart. Because in this world of haters, if he was 9-1 and just beat a 3-2 guy, they would all be saying that Andre never fights anyone and running you down that way, the only difference is that they would be signing anonymously. So screw them, protect your fighter as you would any quality asset, help him develop, move him the right way and most important of all-be patient.
Abe…with all due respect…
You seem to be looking at this from your own perspective…which is not ours. I’m not sure what you know about us other than what you may have seen at a fight? Our goals may not be your goals. I’m not saying you don’t have some valid points but in this instance…you really don’t have a complete picture into what we’re doing or what Andre’s developmental needs are. And I of course can’t go into too much detail. But you’re on the outside looking in. I do agree with the post above…come back with 5-6 confidence builders and see where we’re at.
The main thing is he was never hurt, down, or in any serious trouble. I believe was winning or definitely keeping it close up to the 5th. Now if Andre would have been overmatched, you would have a legitimate argument. But to insinuate that I’m mismanaging my son or any boxer is way out of line. I’ve had more fighters mad at me for NOT getting them fights for their own safety than you would know.
After the fight he had a big fat cheeseburger, fries and was back doing his road work the next day. No mental or physical damage at all. He just turned 21 years old and is 3-3. He could go on to be 15-3 or 20-5. Who knows…but as Bobby Myles once said to me…’this is the HURT business’.
There was no suggestion of mismanagement, only a suggestion of patience as the kid appears to be a good fighter.
Wow! last 3 posts! Is that really you honest abe??? I am thinking not. Why didn't you bring that the first time? Asim, great counter! BATB at it's best!!!
"this stuff kills me. in any other business andre would get to sue his manager for incompetency and win. sadly though his manager is probably his father. oh well...."
Oh...I mean 'incompetency'...
same applies.
Asim
Hmmm...I'm not sure which I'd prefer...
'incompetent' v 'mismanagement'...
but to sue me for being incompetent is to say I'm mismanaging him. Right??? If I were not competent...there would be no reason to sue...unless he's just suing his father for being 'dumb'...then none of us Dads would be safe!
Sorry 'Abe'...just thinking out loud.
Asim
Respect Brother Asim
You have have handled your critics well and responded with humility and intelligence. Anyone who faces his successes and failures with these qualities can achieve great heights in the boxing world or in any area in this life he aspires to. A wise man can harvest the truth from his supporters as well as his critics. As you well know, some of your worst critics are challenging you in the spirit of trying to make you better.
You can always depend on the truth but, a lie will fail you when you put it to the test. Keep seeking the truth and continue to be an example for the rest of us truth seekers so that we can find our way as well.
Also I like the way you defend your positions with logic and common sense. Good stuff bro. Nuff respect. Chin from the honeycomb boxing gym.
Much appreciated Chinn.
BTW- hope things are well with you.
Asim
honest abe...
I suppose you're of the school that imagines Thomas Snow's development so far to be ideal?
Great record... no risk... getting a name...
no way. snow does not want to fight. the manager should be patient and as asim says that he has done, be holding the fighter back from taking fights that are too dangerous at that moment. Snow is one of those fighters that think he should be paid because he thinks he is a good fighter. the best fighters want to be good fighters first and then be paid for being what they are. i don't think that we will see snow fighting in this area for a while. we will see him slip out of town and fight somewhere as an opponent and lose and that will be all we will hear from him. he burned too many bridges with his last two bull crap fights- the one where he put the linament on so that no one in their right mind would fight him and the second where he just chickened out of his fight with eric hunter. now the whole world knows what he is all about and he is done. no promoter will want to put him on. he is the opposite of asim and his son.
Dear honest abe,
You're too honest! telling everyone the honest truth about Thomas KO'd Snow !
I hear you Honest Abe... Snow's gonna get embarrassed the first time he fights a legit guy. His career so far has done NOTHING to prepare him for a tough night.
Back to Andre Nichols... Have you seen that 9-1 Korean guy? He's a simple brawler not worthy of that record. It was Andre's for the taking.
On paper, it might've appeared to be over-matching Andre, but beleive me, it was a very good risk...
And while your comments about being patient is absolutely true, with the lack of small men on the East Coast, it can be argued that it might be counter-productive...
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