tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post7636799001012484106..comments2024-03-19T01:42:39.833-04:00Comments on Boxing Along The Beltway: Can We Make a Supercard?Gary Digital Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03412456942984877958noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-29661829058700375152007-07-31T11:18:00.000-04:002007-07-31T11:18:00.000-04:00I don't mean this in a deragatory or a purely "exp...I don't mean this in a deragatory or a purely "exploitative" way...while having a ton of great DC boxers would help, I also wonder about some of the other matchups, if they would help.<BR/><BR/>For example, the DC area has an affluent Jewish community - I wonder if promoting an undefeated Jewish boxer (in Foreman) would contribute to any of them showing up, or if any of Yuri's fans might come down from New York (hell, put Dmitri Salita on the card too).<BR/><BR/>I wonder also if D-Hop has enough fans at this point to bring anyone down from Philly (or if his uncle would be able to make a special appearance).<BR/><BR/>There are a TON of marketable boxers in this fantasy scenario, who aren't necessarily big name draws but could do things to bring fans in.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09737618879032480967noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-11326235317079017592007-07-30T22:12:00.000-04:002007-07-30T22:12:00.000-04:00Good to hear people talking aboutJimmy Lange.In hi...Good to hear people talking about<BR/>Jimmy Lange.In his last fight he <BR/>showed some of the good stuff he's<BR/>capable of.I've known you had what it takes since you were a kid.<BR/>Really proud of you ,keep the ball <BR/>rolling.<BR/> (your first trainer)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-8781742686659882212007-07-26T20:03:00.000-04:002007-07-26T20:03:00.000-04:002 Sharp looks like Beetlejuice from The Howard Ste...2 Sharp looks like Beetlejuice from The Howard Stern show! Have you ever seen 2 Sharp and Bettlejuice at the same time? Things that make you go hmmmmmm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-81724400951262605352007-07-26T17:22:00.000-04:002007-07-26T17:22:00.000-04:00mark too sharp has the most fan in DC. fans come o...mark too sharp has the most fan in DC. fans come out to see himAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-24159557097769708982007-07-26T16:07:00.000-04:002007-07-26T16:07:00.000-04:00You know, people talk about "asses in seats" and J...You know, people talk about "asses in seats" and Jimmy Lange puts "asses in seats". I went to three of his fights and the cards that I saw, 2 in 2006 and 1 this year, truly were excellent cards. But, I will say this also, and I'm not trying to put anyone down because I want boxing to be successful. I don't think the crowds could be described as "big crowds". In fact, I've always thought of them as small crowds in a large arena. I've been to many concerts and shows in other large arenas and they are at least halfway to 3/4 full for their shows. There is NO way that of the 3 fights I saw at The Patriot Center, that place was ever more than 1/3 full. I always buy the $25 ticket and I made my way down to the floor within several rows of the ring for every Jimmy Lange fight. The floor is pretty full by Jimmy Lange's fight but the stands were always close to empty. In my opinion, I don't think any of those cards drew more than 2,000 paying customers. I wasn't at the fight when Lange fought Gilbert but I'm sure that was the biggest crowd by far, and for obvious reasons. The Contender was a hot series, and you had not 1, but 2 fighters from that show fighting each other AND, they had a heated rivalry. Plus, like Chris Middendorf said, Jimmy Lange had been drawing 1,000 plus for years to Ballroom Boxing and other promoter's shows. Plus, he had a lot of TV exposure back when Ballroom Boxing was on TV. I hope I'm wrong, but I think Lange's last fight, when he knocked out Cabell, was the last we'll see at The Patriot Center. I truly don't think there were 1,000 people there total. I'm sure that place has got to be expensive, probably even more so than we think, so I don't see how any money could have been made off the live gate. I hope I'm wrong, I'm a boxing fan. I want every boxer to retire wealthy because they really do put their lives on the line every time they step in the ring. By the way, Slickwalt, excellent post. I wouldn't risk my neck for $400 either. The beatings that fighters take in their careers stays with them the rest of their lives. God Bless 'em all. The Hopeful One.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-3452289201549822732007-07-26T14:55:00.000-04:002007-07-26T14:55:00.000-04:00Chris,They were basically giving tickets away to f...Chris,<BR/><BR/>They were basically giving tickets away to fill seats at the <BR/>Lange / Cabell fight.<BR/><BR/>Johnny Lange was telling people it was going to be on Tape Delayed TV and wanted a big crowd there to set a big fight!<BR/><BR/>First hand knowledge!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-54662274026182378562007-07-26T13:43:00.000-04:002007-07-26T13:43:00.000-04:00Chime in Chris and let the people know who sells t...Chime in Chris and let the people know who sells tickets. Get the top 7 tickets sellers and put on a show! Regardless of relationship you may have with a boxer and management team or Promoter, I think everyone could make money.<BR/><BR/>DC Tickets Sellers?<BR/><BR/>MD Ticket Sellers?<BR/><BR/>VA Ticket Sellers?<BR/><BR/>Out of Towner Tickets Sellers?<BR/><BR/>You can make it happen!<BR/><BR/>Thanks.<BR/><BR/>LewisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-50474520694139780102007-07-26T13:03:00.000-04:002007-07-26T13:03:00.000-04:00Thanks, Chris. Cynical, theres a lesson in Boxing...Thanks, Chris. Cynical, theres a lesson in Boxing Economics 101.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-44523321788472417922007-07-26T13:01:00.000-04:002007-07-26T13:01:00.000-04:00Chris can probably answer the question on who sell...Chris can probably answer the question on who sells better than I can, but let me take a stab at that one also.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if too many single boxers can put people in seats. Jimmy may be the only one in the area right now that can do that. <BR/><BR/>But in combinations, we've already proven that Beltway Boxers can sell tickets. The most recent example was the May 25 card at the Armory with The Peterson Brothers. If Tony Thompson was also on that card, even more people would have shown.<BR/><BR/>A lot depends on who the bigger names fight and how much promotion gets out on the bout. Back in April, Remus Promotions tried to fool folks into thinking William Joppy was the main event of their card, but they didn't get any promotion out on the show and the card flopped. With local promoters who know the area, that truly won't happen again.Gary Digital Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412456942984877958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-3960627383920205772007-07-26T12:29:00.000-04:002007-07-26T12:29:00.000-04:00Darnell Wilson has a pretty strong fan base aswell...Darnell Wilson has a pretty strong fan base aswell.RichardMcCombshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12448942395386641570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-36432816277501635402007-07-26T12:22:00.000-04:002007-07-26T12:22:00.000-04:00Chris, Other than Lange who actually sells tickets...Chris, <BR/><BR/>Other than Lange who actually sells tickets in this area?<BR/><BR/>Chop Chop?<BR/>Sharmba?<BR/>Holmes?<BR/>Joppy?<BR/><BR/>Anyone you know?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-23448247422512996142007-07-26T12:11:00.000-04:002007-07-26T12:11:00.000-04:00Chris,Thanks for clearing that up.Knowledge is the...Chris,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for clearing that up.<BR/><BR/>Knowledge is the key to success!<BR/><BR/>Don't give away too much of it!<BR/><BR/>The Cynical one has never made more than $20,000 grand a year so what would he know?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-48281159853413837442007-07-26T12:05:00.000-04:002007-07-26T12:05:00.000-04:00this was an excellent post !!! i enjoyed the insig...this was an excellent post !!! i enjoyed the insight from the various promoters etc... fighters have to understand how to maket themselves. in jimmy case, he is a good fighter, with a helluva fan base in virginia. (i remember seeing him training at sugar ray leonards gym with pepe corea some years ago for a brief time.)the contender series helped him also. if i were him i wouldn't fight anywhere else except virginia, unless it's a title fight. i used to think if you didn't have a gold medal or you were affiliated with one of the major promoters, to put you on hbo or showtime, you would make pennies. jimmy has definitely proved me wrong. <BR/>that's one reason i never turned pro. i couldn't see fighting for pennies, when boxing is a "life" sport. boxing effects every aspect of your life and you want to pay me 400 for a four round fight, where i could possibly get hurt and effect me the rest of my life !!!! it just didn't add up.. on the flip side though, not one day goes by that i don't regret never pursuing a professional career. question: does jimmy pay his opponents well ??? hell, i would get in shape and fight him. it could be a tune-up for him.. lol !!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-19287159250364376532007-07-26T11:13:00.000-04:002007-07-26T11:13:00.000-04:00Jimmy Lange has been the only area fighter to cons...Jimmy Lange has been the only area fighter to consistently put asses in the seats. He filled up a long series of Ballroom Boxing shows, sold most of the tickets for a number of Raging Promotions shows, and sold HUGE numbers at the two Patriots Center shows that I matched for Keystone Boxing. The "Cynical One" is dead wrong in his ideas of what and how fighters get paid, and the "Enlightened One" was absolutely correct in how the Patriot center cards made more than the average fight purse for Lange. I do not know whether he made $75000. on the last Patriot Center card, but my guess is that he made considerably more than that.<BR/>If you can sell tickets, your purses surpass what you would make if you cannot. Therefore, by extension, if you sell a lot of tickets you get a lot more. That is why Oscar makes what he makes and Lange makes what he makes. It is just basic math, if their are more tix sold, the promoter makes more money and can pay the ticket seller more. If the ticket seller is also is own promoter, like Oscar and Lange, then the ticket seller/promoter makes all the money after paying the expenses and the undercard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-86885222164939728062007-07-26T09:05:00.000-04:002007-07-26T09:05:00.000-04:00What did Jimmy Lange make in his first fight at th...What did Jimmy Lange make in his first fight at the Patriot Center? Start there. Call Chris Middondorf. He is the only Mathmaker to help fighters make what you can call good money! <BR/><BR/>Freedom of information act should apply with the VA Boxing Commission!<BR/><BR/>The Chosen One!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-34704246482593959982007-07-26T08:36:00.000-04:002007-07-26T08:36:00.000-04:00Thanks for the information Anonymous but I'm set w...Thanks for the information Anonymous but I'm set with a new Manager and Promoter. I really Appreciated maybe you can give my some of that classic pad work one day.RichardMcCombshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12448942395386641570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-55536923234300413322007-07-26T08:29:00.000-04:002007-07-26T08:29:00.000-04:00Richard,Scott Farmer has a two shows coming up, on...Richard,<BR/><BR/>Scott Farmer has a two shows coming up, one is August, one in September. Han Kim has a show in August. Give them a call!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-26121537344312799532007-07-26T01:26:00.000-04:002007-07-26T01:26:00.000-04:00yawn...yawn...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-40601191007473306692007-07-25T21:49:00.000-04:002007-07-25T21:49:00.000-04:00I must say when it come to ring Announcer's Henry ...I must say when it come to ring Announcer's Henry Jones is like no other. I mean this brother has soul he touches the fighter's aswell as the fans.RichardMcCombshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12448942395386641570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-85040225088451681142007-07-25T21:04:00.000-04:002007-07-25T21:04:00.000-04:00August 31st Aragon Ballroom Category: Sports Augus...August 31st Aragon Ballroom <BR/>Category: Sports <BR/><BR/><BR/>August 31st at the (Aragon Ballroom) in Chicago Illinois! If you don't get knocked out make sure you don't get a COUNT-OUT. The card basicly is filled with those boxers who've tasted gold or never had the chance & been out of action to to problems in the sport of boxing. All boxers seeking a shot for a piece of the world title. Amoung the card ; the co-feature will be Damien Fuller. Damien a rising star will try to prove he has what it takes to be champion. On the other hand Israel tasted the world title & doesn't forget what it as all about. This will be a great fight to see what direction each fighter will be heading. Also as the Main even ; Mark Johnson the former 112&115lb 1st african american world champion at those weight classes , will try for a shot at a world title once more. Being hungry for it & rumors saying that Mark is washed up , he will look to prove why his record is what it is... & why they call him Too Sharp. In the undercard - one fighter stands out ; Richard McCombs. Being out for 5yrs do to poor management , Richard hasn't given up hope that he will enter the ring once again. On his way to prove that the 5yrs off wasn't nothing , he will enter the ring & focus on what's infront of him. These are just a few of the undercard bouts. Let the windy city blow you away!RichardMcCombshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12448942395386641570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-76356933227983228352007-07-25T20:39:00.000-04:002007-07-25T20:39:00.000-04:00As for the Aud 3rd show I've been training at 7am ...As for the Aud 3rd show I've been training at 7am in the Morning at Keystone for two Months. I was told the card was full in June then two weeks later it's not even half way done. I have a problem how come I wasn't on the card? How come I wasn't Considered atleast? To be honest I've had it with this area as far as Boxing is concern. I have nothing againts any fighter it's the people who suppose to be fair and loyal to the game. I Appreciate and respect Gene Molovinsky & Joe Hensley always very respectful men as for the unloyal ones I can care less any longer. I'm fighting Aug 31st in Chicago under new Management and New Promotion.RichardMcCombshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12448942395386641570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-63241198735727007802007-07-25T20:24:00.000-04:002007-07-25T20:24:00.000-04:00Hello Gary I Yuri Foreman is a close friend of min...Hello Gary I Yuri Foreman is a close friend of mine aswell as a good fighter. I feel if he and Jimmy Lange faught he would win by split decision.RichardMcCombshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12448942395386641570noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-8026327641283475962007-07-25T20:15:00.000-04:002007-07-25T20:15:00.000-04:00I don't know, nor could I prove it. I don't think...I don't know, nor could I prove it. I don't think anyone would say it publicly. <BR/><BR/>I do know that Lange did get good money for the card(I don't know the details) but Gilbert got as much. Suffice it to say, good business sense took hold in this situation. Neither man got hurt by the money they received.<BR/><BR/>Let's make sure we understand. Lange is a solid draw, especially in Virginia. He has drawn at least 5,000 to the last three Patriot Center shows.Gary Digital Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03412456942984877958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-3739234882766372492007-07-25T20:10:00.000-04:002007-07-25T20:10:00.000-04:00i couldn't care less if you believe me or not dude...i couldn't care less if you believe me or not dude. i have nothing to prove. i'm not even a jimmy lange fan, i just know the facts. you don't need showtime or espn to make money on a boxing event. i've said my piece. have a good night.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14955621.post-63136809762638525572007-07-25T20:06:00.000-04:002007-07-25T20:06:00.000-04:00That's a load of crap and I say PROVE IT! Digital...That's a load of crap and I say PROVE IT! Digital, who can we contact to verify what Jimmy Lange made for that fight?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com